Ways to Prove Mormonism Wrong
1. Bible's One God vs. Mormon Polytheism
2. The fraud of the Book of Abraham (See Proverbs 14:5)
3. Joseph's Smith famous boast
4. Brigham Young and the worship of Adam
5. Brigham Young and 10 ft tall men on the moon.
6. New World Archaeology: Zarahemla will never be found.
7. False prophecies in Doctrines and Covenants
8. Joseph Smith III prophecy
9. The Bible's salvation by grace through faith
10. 1,000's of changes in Mormon scripture: Why?
11. Changes in Mormon doctrine: Adam, polygamy, blacks,
12. Complete testimony of the three and eight witnesses
What most Mormons Misunderstand
1. The basis for the Christian claim for the true Church
2. Why we worship Jesus (the blind man, angels, and the multitudes do it.)
3. The doctrines of the Trinity
4. What it means to have Christ inside us.
5. That Eph 2:8-10 and James 2:14-26 fit together and how.
What Christians Should Ask Mormons
1. If Christians, Mormons, JW's, People's Temple people, and other groups all have a conviction that theirs is the truth, how Mormons think these could be objectively tested that could verify or falsify? Remember Jeremiah 17:9.
2. Why they want to worship a lesser, local god instead of the highest god?
3. Exactly what Mormons think Brigham meant by "Adam is our God and Father."
4. Why having a relationship with Christ is such a terrible thing as McConkie said?
5. How good Mormons think Joseph Smith's Egyptian was?
6. How many years of Mormons looking for Zarahemla would it take before Mormons conclude that it cannot be found?
7. Does God hear your prayers? If your limited God has only two ears, and millions pray to him every minute, how does he hear everything at once, and how does He think of all the prayers before the next minute?
8. Why if wives are to be faithful to their husbands, and Temple marriages are for time and all eternity, women can remarry for an earthly marriage after their Temple marriage husband dies. Why can't all adultery among Mormons just be called a temporary marriage then?
9. Since father-daughter incest is bad, why did the Mormon God do it with his spirit daughter Mary?
Joseph Smith took some Egyptian scrolls and created a fraudulent scripture. Is that "just a little mistake" or do you really care about what is God's Truth? Many Mormons are content to look over such inconsistencies in their rush to be their own God rather than worshipping and serving the highest God.
LDS Tricks for Naive Christians:
How can you trust the Bible today. Do you know there are over 200,000 known changes in it?
That figure includes even one-letter changes in over 20,000 manuscripts. That is roughly 10 per manuscript, which is amazingly good. That compares to over 4,000 changes in the Book of Mormon and many in the Doctrines and Covenants. As one Mormon said, Joseph Smith wrote it, and Joseph Smith had the write to change it. That is the point: Joseph Smith wrote it and not God.
Two examples of trivial contradictions in the Bible are Ezra 2 vs. Neh 7 and Matt 27:9. With corrupt scripture and a corrupt Medieval Church, true Christianity was not on the earth as John Wesley, Martin Luther, John Calvin, and others said. That is why God needed to refound the Church with Joseph Smith, and that is why the Mormon church is the only one with the true authority.
God gave His word without error, and He preserved His word without significant error. Ps 119:89-91, Isa 55:11, and Mark 13:31 promise, and archaeology confirms, that God preserves His word. Though many have fulfilled 2 Pet 2:1-3 and 1 Tim 4:1-3, every age had believers (such as the Waldenses in the Middle Ages). Our authority comes straight from Christ dwelling within us, and not indirectly through a convicted occult practitioner and proved counterfeit. The issue is not authority and organization, but following the right Jesus and the right God.
If you are a member of a Christian church, then which one is the true one? There are over 2,000 different churches making that claim.
That's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. In 2,000 years, those 2,000 supposedly Christian churches include over 200 "Mormon" churches that started within 160 years ago. True Christians are in many Christian denominations, because the true Church is not an organization unified in mere men, but all Christians who believe and obey God's Truth.
In Ezek 37:16-17, are the two pieces of wood the Bible and the Book of Mormon, as Mormons claim?
No, because Ezek 37:18b-28 says it tells already us what these two sticks mean. It means the two peoples (not scriptures) will be joined as one. At that time there was great animosity between Israel and Judah, but they prophecy says they were to be gathered from among the nations where they were scattered, David will reign over them (Ezek 37:24), and they will live in the land where their ancestors lived (Ezek 37:25).
I can't relate to a remote God -- "without body, parts, or passions". Certainly God loves.
Of course. In that phrase passions mean fleshly passions, and the real God never had sex with His creatures - unlike the Mormon god and Mary.
In Gen 1:26-27 God says let us make man in our image. So of course God looks like a man.
Even in Mormon belief, neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit had a physical body at that time. So "image" cannot be physical body here.
Many passages talk of God's right arm and hands, so God has a body like a man.
Ps 91:4 KJV says God cover's us with his pinions --mother hen's breast feathers. That expression of God's love does not make God look like a bird! Isaiah 44:13 say men worship images in the form of man. If God's body was like man, it should say in God's form.
Both Jesus in John 10:35 and Paul in 1 Cor 8:5 said there were many gods.
1 Cor 8:5 refers to all the idols many believed in. I worship the "only wise God" 1 Tim 1:17 KJV), not a god of this world (2 Cor 4:4, 1 John 5:19).
James 1:3 says if anyone lacks wisdom, he should ask God, and God will give it. Was it wrong for Joseph Smith to go in the woods to pray to God which religion was correct?
Which first vision? There are at least three conflicting first visions, and the most popular one was made up in part after his death. I do not believe he even had a first vision.
Will you pray with me right know to ask God if Joseph Smith is a true prophet?
Unless you can answer all the objections in The Changing World of Mormonism, why should I pray about a convicted occult worker and proved counterfeiter.
Why do you reject the Biblical practice of baptisms for dead people as 1 Cor 15:29 teaches?
If baptizing for the dead is one of the most important things we can do, like Mormonism teaches, then why are we not once commanded to do this in scripture? Paul said others (they) in 1 Cor 15:29. A cult in Paul's time in Greece, called Serinthians, baptized for the dead, but nobody ever said Christians were to.
Other points: If someone is worshipping the wrong god, has another Christ (2 Cor 11:4), and has a different salvation, then whether he is right or wrong on other issues does not really matter.
From Mormonism's Founder, Joseph Smith, Jr.
As man is, God once was, as God is, man may become
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form...like ourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man... He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on earth." History of the Church vol.6 p.305.
"In the beginning, the head of Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it.... In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods." History of the Church vol.6 p.308.374
"Here then is eternal life... to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you... To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God." History of the Church vol.6 p.306.
Joseph Did Not Suffer from Low Self-Esteem
Joseph Did Not Suffer from Low Self-Esteem
Imagine someone saying the following in your church. Would you continue to go to that church?
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." History of the Church vol.6 p.408,409.
Joseph's Uncertainty(?) Over Christian Denominations
Joseph's Uncertainty(?) Over Christian Denominations
After Joseph Smith prayed to his god about which church denomination he should join, he wrote in 1820 the following in the Mormon Scripture Pearl of Great Price Joseph Smith 2:19: "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; and those professors were all corrupt."
However, his mother and brothers were still active members of the Presbyterian Church from 1820 to 1828, according to vol. 2 of The Sessions Records for the Western Presbyterian Church of Palmyra, New York)
Moreover, Joseph Smith, Jr. himself sought membership in the Methodist Church in 1828 where he was welcomed. The Amboy Journal 4/30/1879 and 6/11/1879, also History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, 1851 p.214
"We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense... and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." John Taylor in J. of D. v.6 p.167. 1/17/1858. Today Mormon missionaries tell people that they are Christians too. They can't have it both ways!
Joseph's Once Secret Marriage
Joseph's Once Secret Marriage
Oliver Cowdery, one of the "three witnesses" of the Book of Mormon, in 1838 confronted Joseph Smith with adultery with Fanny Alger, lying and teaching false doctrines. (letter to brother Warren Cowdery, 1/21/1838)
The Mormon Historical Record, 1886 vol.5 p.233 now shows that Fanny Alger was Smith's first "spiritual wife".
Joseph Smith, Jr. in the Mormon scripture Doctrines and Covenants section 69, v.1 said that Oliver Cowdery was not trustworthy.
The Three and Five Witnesses
The Three and Five Witnesses
When a Mormon missionary shows people the Book of Mormon, he usually explains that the gold plates were taken back and no longer exist today. However, we know they really existed, because at the front of the Book of Mormon is the testimony of three witnesses, as well as a second testimony of five witnesses.
What they almost always fail to tell people is that five of these 8 witnesses later left the Mormon Church. Joseph Smith, Jr. called David Whitmer "an ass to bray out cursings instead of blessings".
Joseph Smith, Jr. said of Martin Harris, "so far beneath contempt that to notice him would be too great a sacrifice for a gentleman to make. The Church exerted some restraint on him, but now he has given loose to all kinds of abominations, lying, cheating, swindling, and all kinds of debauchery."
God and Man
1. Can God do anything, or is there something that is impossible for God to do? Answer first, then check your answer by reading Heb 6:18.
2. Read Num 23:19. What is the context? Was Balaam was always an obedient prophet? Was what God spoke through him still true or not? See Num 23:26, 24:13.
3. Why do you think the "God is not a man" phrase is there? What is meant by "nor a son of man"?
5. Read 1 Sam 15:29. What is the context of in chapter 15?
6. Who is the glory of Israel? What does "for he is not a man" mean?
7. Read Hosea 11:9. What does this say about God being man in any way?
8. What do you think about the many verses (Acts 7:55, Ps 110:1, Heb 1:3, etc.) that speak of God's right hand. Do you think God has a right hand?
9. Psalm 90:4 talks of God covering us with his "pinions". Pinions are the breast feathers of a hen. Hens pluck some of their own breast feathers to make a warmer nest for their chicks. Why does Psalm 90:4 mention God and pinions?
10. How can you tell what is meant to be taken an expression vs. what is a physical attribute?
11. Believers are called Sons of God in Gal 3:26 and many other places. In the future, could there be any other true Gods or Creators? Read Isaiah 43:10
12. Yet, the Bible clearly says believers are heirs in Gal 4:7. What are we to be heirs of? Read Eph 2:6-7 and Rev 3:21 and determine whether we sit on our own thrones, or if we sit with Christ on His throne.
The Supreme Being vs. Lesser Gods
1. Today we can order a "supreme pizza", or "chicken supreme" or another supreme sandwich. Supreme is a word which is greatly trivialized today. What does the word supreme actually mean?
2. When you look up at the stars at night, do you think God made all of them, or just a few of them and other beings made other parts? Think about it first, then read Ps 19:1, Ps 8:3, Isaiah 44:24, and Isaiah 45:12.
3. Could God originally had a God above Him? Think about it first, and then read Isaiah 44:6, 8; 45:5, 6, 14.
4. What do you think is meant by the common phrase "Most High" or "Most High God" in Numbers 24:16, Psalm 7:10, and many others passages?
5. If 1 Tim 1:17 speaks of the Only God (NIV) or only wise God (KJV), what does that say about the wisdom in all the other gods? Is this the same message as Isaiah 41:22-24?
6. The times of the early church were times of struggle against Greco-Roman polytheism. One of Novatian's key points in his writing was that polytheists themselves often admit the god or goddess they are most devoted to is not the most high god. Novatian emphasized that the difference between the true God and the Greco-Roman idols is that the true God is Supreme. Do you think this argument would useful in talking to idolaters in India or Africa today?
God - Singular or Plural
1. A large number of verses say there is only One God. In addition to the verses looked at last time, other verses are: Deut 4:35-36; Deut 6:4; Mark 12:29-33; 2 Sam 7:22; James 2:19; Joel 2:27; Isaiah 46:9; John 5:6; 17:3; Ps 83:18; John 5:9, 1 Tim 1:17, 6:15-16. Do you see any ambiguity here?
2. Nevertheless, Paul speaks of a second god in 2 Cor 4:3-4. Who is this "god of this age"?
3. Do you think it is the same as the "Prince of this world" in John 12:31 and 14:30?
4. Is it the same one who is in control of this world in 1 John 5:19?
5. In 1 Cor 8:4-8 Paul speaks of many gods and lords that he knows of. Some could read this and say the Bible contradicts itself, because in other places it says there is only One God. Yet Paul says there is only One God in 1 Cor 8:4. So, not only does the bible contradict itself, Paul deliberately "contradicts" himself in the same sentence. Who are the many gods and lords in heaven and earth in 1 Cor 8:4-8?
6. For reference, other verses that speak of these same gods are Ps 86:8, 96:4-5, and 97:7.
7. So the Bible uses the word "God/god" in at least three different ways. These ways are:
A. Deut 6:4, Isaiah 40-44, Ps 91:1, etc.
B. 2 Cor 4:3-4, John 12:31; 14:30, etc.
C. John 10:34-35, Ps 82:6-7
8. We cannot just worship any self-proclaimed god. Which of the three kinds are we to worship?
9. The word "God" is singular (see Gen 1:29, "I", etc.); nevertheless, in Gen 1:26 God says, "Let Us make man in our image." Likewise, Isaiah 6:8 has both "I" and "us" in the same verse. Since the "Us" does not refer to all the idols, and only One God made the heavens, earth, man, and everything in them by Isaiah 44:24, 45:12,14, how do explain this apparent problem?
10. What kind of image is meant in Gen 1:29? Does the Holy Spirit have a physical body? Did Jesus Christ have a physical body at that time. What could be meant by image?
Also see the material on the Trinity for more information.
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